TRUE ROMAN CATHOLICISM
15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?
16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
MATHEW 16:15-20
FROM THE ONLY OFFICIAL ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE " DOUAY RHEIMS"




in Sedevecantist Position
SEDEVECANTISM
Who are we?
Sedevacantism is a traditionalist Catholic movement that believes the papal seat has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. According to this view, those who have occupied the papacy since then are not legitimate popes because they have embraced one or more heretical teachings. Sedevacantism emerged in response to theological and disciplinary changes introduced after the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).
The term sedevacantism is derived from the Latin phrase sede vacante, which means "the chair [of the Bishop of Rome] being vacant"..The phrase is commonly used to refer specifically to a vacancy of the Holy See which takes place from the Pope's death or renunciation to the election of his successor.
The present number of sedevacantists around the world is increasing fast since many of the chosen people of God are now taking their stance being a TRUE ROMAN CATHOLIC, showing the hotness of our faith (as told by our God The Apocalypse of St John (Revelation 3:16 ..But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.,) in this hard times due to the eclipse of our church teachings, while the seat of St. Peter is being occupied by the false prophets since the opening of Vatican II council until at present and now it is very clear that they are building their counterfeit Catholic Church, the Great Whore of Babylon.
Some conclavist groups within the sedevacantist movement have attempted to address the perceived papal vacancy by electing their own pope and eventually building a cult. Please be vigilant and be keen to avoid those indult groups. They are also building another cult.
Why are we in this sedevecantist position?
Sedevacantism originated from a rejection of the theological and disciplinary changes introduced after the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965). Sedevacantists oppose this Council, interpreting its teachings on ecumenism, religious liberty, and other issues as contradictory to traditional Catholic doctrine and undermining Catholicism's claim as the one true faith, outside of which salvation is impossible. They argue that new practices, such as the Mass of Paul VI, introduced on April 3, 1969, dilute or contradict the historical Catholic faith and are even considered blasphemous. Additionally, they view post-Vatican II teachings, particularly on ecumenism, as heretical. Based on this rejection of the revised Mass and modern Church teachings, they conclude that recent popes are not legitimate.
This issue remains highly divisive, even among traditionalist Catholics. While traditionalist Catholics who do not adhere to sedevacantism recognize a continuous line of legitimate popes up to and including Pope Francis, sedevacantists assert that the infallible Magisterium of the Catholic Church could never have endorsed the changes attributed to the Second Vatican Council. Therefore, they conclude that Pope John XXIII and his successors abandoned the true Church and forfeited legitimate authority. According to sedevacantists, a notorious heretic cannot be a true pope.
The Clergy, Mass, and Sacraments
Some sedevacantists regard the consecrations and ordinations of sedevacantist bishops and priests, as well as the Masses they offer and sacraments they administer, as licit based on epikeia, the principle of interpreting the lawgiver's intent. In this view, ecclesiastical laws—such as the requirement for papal approval for consecrating bishops or restrictions on administering sacraments without authorization—cease to apply when adherence would be impossible, harmful, unreasonable, or in conflict with divine law. For example, they argue that the Church must have bishops and priests, and Catholics must be able to attend Mass and receive sacraments, even during an extended vacancy of the Holy See, a situation for which there is historical precedent.
Liturgy
Among sedevacantists, a debated question is whether attending "una cum" Masses is acceptable. These are Traditional Latin Masses in which the priest names the current pope, as recognized by the wider Catholic Church, in the Roman Canon during the "Te igitur" prayer (e.g., “together with Thy Servant N., our Pope”). Anthony Cekada, a prominent sedevacantist, argues that it is never permissible to attend such Masses.
About Sedeprivationism and relation to sedevecantism
Unlike sedevacantists, sedeprivationists support the Thesis of Cassiciacum, proposed by Dominican theologian Bishop Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers. This thesis posits that John XXIII and his successors are popes materialiter sed non formaliter ("materially but not formally"), and that post-Vatican II popes can regain legitimacy if they recant their heresies.
This viewpoint is endorsed by the Istituto Mater Boni Consilii and the Orthodox Roman Catholic Movemen
Bishops and holy orders
In Catholic theology, any bishop can validly ordain any baptized male to the priesthood and elevate any priest to the episcopacy, as long as he performs the ordination or consecration with the intention of doing what the Church intends and uses a rite recognized as valid by the Catholic Church.
Catholic Theology is the study and understanding of Catholic doctrines or teachings, developed through the work of theologians. It is rooted in canonical scripture and sacred tradition, both of which are interpreted authoritatively by the Catholic Church's magisterium.
In the Catholic Church, the sacrament of holy orders consists of three ranks: bishops, priests, and deacons, in descending order of hierarchy, together forming the clergy.
Sedevacantist Bishops
These are the among the Bishops who were consecrated before Vatican II.
The only Catholic bishop known to have been consecrated before the Second Vatican Council who publicly embraced sedevacantism was Vietnamese Archbishop Ngô Đình Thục (consecrated in 1938), previously the Vicar Apostolic of Vĩnh Long and Archbishop of Huế in Vietnam.
While Bishop Alfredo Méndez-Gonzalez (consecrated in 1960), former Bishop of Arecibo, Puerto Rico, did not publicly declare himself a sedevacantist, he maintained associations with sedevacantist priests and consecrated a bishop for their cause.
Thục Line Bishops
"Thục line" bishops trace their episcopal lineage back to Archbishop Ngô Đình Thục or to bishops consecrated within his lineage. Many bishops within this line are part of the non-sedevacantist Palmarian Catholic Church, as Thục consecrated Bishop Clemente Domínguez y Gómez, who later became the Palmarian Church's pope, leading to numerous consecrations within the organization.
On May 7, 1981, Thục consecrated French priest Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers, a sedeprivationist and former Dominican theologian, as a bishop. Des Lauriers was also known for his role as a papal advisor.
On October 17, 1981, Thục consecrated two Mexican priests, Moisés Carmona and Adolfo Zamora, as bishops. Both Carmona and Zamora were leading advocates of sedevacantism in Mexico and were instrumental in founding the Tridentine Catholic Union.
For these consecrations and his declaration of sedevacantism, Thục was declared latae sententiae excommunicated by the Vatican.
Feel free to read an article from a CMRI bishop, from bishop Thuc line.
https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/sedevacantism/
Méndez Line Bishops
On October 19, 1993, in Carlsbad, California, Bishop Alfredo Méndez-Gonzalez consecrated sedevacantist Clarence Kelly of the Society of Saint Pius V (SSPV) as a bishop. By Méndez’s request, this consecration remained secret until after his death in 1995.
Today, two sedevacantist bishops are descended from Bishop Méndez through Bishop Kelly. Both serve as bishops of the Congregation of Saint Pius V.
Other Lineages from Earlier Movements
Several sedevacantist bishops trace their lineage back to Bishop Carlos Duarte Costa, who founded the independent Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church in 1945. Duarte Costa, unlike later sedevacantists, questioned the papacy as an institution, denied papal infallibility, and rejected the pope’s universal jurisdiction. His beliefs diverged from most traditionalist Catholics, as he held left-wing political views.
These are the sedevecantist groups listed in Wekipedia.org
Sedevacantist groups include:
Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI), formed in 1967. It operates in North America, South America, Europe, and Asia and is based in Omaha, Nebraska, United States. Its bishop is Mark Pivarunas.
Most Holy Family Monastery (MHFM), a traditional Catholic monastery in Fillmore, New York, founded in 1967 and led by Michael and Peter Dimond.
Society of Saint Pius V (SSPV), formed in 1983 when nine American priests split from the Society of Saint Pius X over a number of issues including using the liturgical books implemented under Pope John XXIII.It operates in North America from Oyster Bay Cove, New York, United States, and was headed by Bishop Clarence Kelly until his death in December 2023.
Istituto Mater Boni Consilii (Institute of the Mother of Good Counsel; IMBC), a sedeprivationist group formed in 1985 when four Italian priests left the Society of Saint Pius X, over their stance on the Pope. It operates in Europe and Argentina. Based in Verrua Savoia, Turin, Italy, its bishop is Geert Stuyver.
Sociedad Sacerdotal Trento (Priestly Society of Trent; SST), formed in 1993 by priests of the deceased Bishop Moisés Carmona. Its bishop is Martín Dávila Gandara.
Roman Catholic Institute (RCI), founded in 1993 by Bishop Donald Sanborn. It consists of Sanborn, his priests, and some of his seminarians, and is based in Brooksville, Florida.
Early proponents of sedevacantism include:
Bishop Francis Schuckardt, an American who was part of the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima, until he publicly took the position in 1967 that the Holy See was vacant and that the body that had emerged from the Second Vatican Council was no longer the Catholic Church. He was illicitly consecrated a bishop by Daniel Q. Brown and founded the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI), from which he was expelled in 1984. He later established a new sect, the Traditional Latin Rite Catholic Church (TLRCC).
Bishop Daniel Q. Brown, an American former Old Catholic bishop who converted to sedevacantism and an associate of Schuckardt. Later reverted to Old Catholicism.
Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga, a Mexican Jesuit priest and theologian who put forward sedevacantist ideas in his books The New Montinian Church (August 1971) and Sede Vacante (1973). His writings gave rise to the sedevacantist movement in Mexico he led with the priests Moisés Carmona and Adolfo Zamora. Together they formed the Unión Católica Trento (Tridentine Catholic Union); Carmona was illicitly consecrated bishop in 1981 by Ngô Đình Thục.
Francis E. Fenton, an American priest inspired by Sáenz's writings and founded the Orthodox Roman Catholic Movement as an American parallel to the Mexican Unión Católica Trento.
Michel-Louis Guérard des Lauriers, a French Dominican priest and theologian who developed the Thesis of Cassiciacum in the 1970s. He was illicitly consecrated bishop in 1981 by Ngô Đình Thục.
Several American priests of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX): Daniel Dolan, Anthony Cekada, and Donald Sanborn, reportedly sedevacantists in the 1970s, who were expelled with several other priests by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre for holding this view. Nine of these priests later founded the Society of Saint Pius V (SSPV) in 1983. Dolan and Sanborn were later illicitly consecrated bishops.
Oswald Baker, an English priest who was a know sedevacantist by at least 1982, and reportedly some time prior to that.
Lucian Pulvermacher, an American missionary priest who left the Catholic Church in 1976 and in 1998 was elected pope of the conclavist "True Catholic Church" with the papal name “Pius XIII”.
Comprehensive References also from Wekipedia.org:
Appleby, R. Scott (1995), Being Right: Conservative Catholics in America, Indiana University Press, p. 257, ISBN 978-0253329226
^ Jump up to:a b c d Marty, Martin E.; Appleby, R. Scott (1994), Fundamentalisms Observed, University of Chicago Press, p. 88, ISBN 978-0226508788
^ Neuhaus, Richard John (2007), Catholic Matters: Confusion, Controversy, and the Splendor of Truth, Basic, p. 133, ISBN 978-0465049356
^ Collinge, William J. (2012). Historical dictionary of Catholicism (2nd ed.). Lanham, MD: Scarecrow Press. p. 399. ISBN 978-0810857551. from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands
^ Chryssides, George D. (2012). Historical Dictionary of New Religious Movements (2nd ed.). Scarecrow Press. p. 99. ISBN 978-0810879676.
^ Madrid, Patrick; Vere, Peter (2004), More Catholic Than the Pope: An Inside Look at Extreme Traditionalism, Our Sunday Visitor, p. 169, ISBN 1931709262
^ Jarvis, E. Sede Vacante: the Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc, Apocryphile Press, Berkeley CA, 2018, pp. 8–10.
^ Flinn, Frank K (2007), Encyclopedia of Catholicism, Facts on File, p. 566, ISBN 978-0816054558
^ Collinge, William J (2012), Historical Dictionary of Catholicism, Scarecrow, p. 566, ISBN 978-0810879799
^ Gibson, David (2007), The Rule of Benedict: Pope Benedict XVI and His Battle with the Modern World, Harper Collins, p. 355, ISBN 978-0061161223
^ Marty, Martin E; Appleby, R. Scott (1991), Fundamentalisms Observed, University of Chicago Press, p. 66, ISBN 0226508781
^ Wójcik, Daniel (1997), The End of the World As We Know It: Faith, Fatalism, and Apocalypse in America, New York University Press, p. 86, ISBN 0814792839
^ Jarvis, E. Sede Vacante: the Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc, Apocryphile Press, Berkeley CA, 2018, pp. 152–53.
^ Jump up to:a b "Episcopal Consecration During Interregnums". CMRI: Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen. 22 September 2016. Retrieved 2 December 2023.
^ Jump up to:a b "The Consecration of Bishops During Interregna". CMRI: Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen. 22 September 2016. Retrieved 2 December 2023.
^ Rev. Henry Davis. "Moral and Pastoral Theology", vol. 1, p. 188.
^ Rev. Henry Davis. Moral and Pastoral Theology, vol. 1, p. 168. "Law need not be fulfilled even by a subject, if it has become impossible, or harmful, or unreasonable, or useless in general"
^ Rev. Anthony Cekada. "The Grain of Incense: Sedevacantists and Una Cum Masses". November 2007.
^ Istituto Mater Boni Consilii (IMBC). "Who we are". Retrieved 29 August 2021.
^ Most Rev. Donald Sanborn. "The material Papacy". Retrieved 29 August 2021.
^ Most Rev. Donald Sanborn. "De Papatu Materiali". "Pars Prima" and "Pars Secunda". Retrieved 29 August 2021.
^ Jarvis, E. Sede Vacante: the Life and Legacy of Archbishop Thuc, Apocryphile Press, Berkeley CA, 2018, p. 9.
^ Pope Leo XIII. "Apostolicae curae".
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^ Likoudis, James; Whitehead, Kenneth D. (2006). The Pope, the Council, and the Mass: Answers to Questions the "Traditionalists" Have Asked. Emmaus Road Publishing. p. 148. ISBN 9781931018340.
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^ Jump up to:a b Heller, Eberhard. AFFIDAVIT DECLARING THE EPISCOPAL CONSECRATIONS OF THEIR EXCELLENCIES BISHOP M. L. GUERARD DES LAURIERS, BISHOP MOISÉS CARMONA AND BISHOP ADOLFO ZAMORA. 14 February 1992. In Einsicht, February 1992. Retrieved 24 February 2022.
^ M.L. Guérard des Lauriers, Dimensions de la Foi, Paris: Cerf, 1952.
^ "Tradicionalismo católico postconciliar y ultraderecha en Guadalajara" (PDF). Universidad de Guadalajara. Retrieved 14 September 2021.
^ Photographs and documentation of the episcopal consecration of Bishop Kelly.
^ Video of the episcopal Consecration of Bp. James Carroll, CSPV.
^ Jarvis, E. God, Land & Freedom: the True Story of ICAB, Apocryphile Press, Berkeley CA, 2018
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^ Jarvis, E. God, Land & Freedom: the True Story of ICAB, Apocryphile Press, Berkeley CA, 2018, p. 64.
^ A more comprehensive list of objections can be found at "Letter of 'the Nine' to Abp. Marcel Lefebvre", The Roman Catholic, Traditional mass, May 1983
^ "Obituary of The Most Reverend Clarence J. Kelly | Dufresne & Cavanaugh Funeral Home". dufresneandcavanaugh.com. Retrieved 11 December 2023.
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